> Hmmm... do any of these involve alarm systems accidentally > turned off ? Is "some" "any" ? Nah, all legit. BTW, Aucklanders might notice their cellphone coverage is a little patchy at the moment. Sorry 'bout that ;-) Seriously, if you're prepared to look, there's all manner of old equipment destined for the dump that can be ratted -- http://www.piclist.com PIC/SX FAQ & list archive View/change your membership options at http://mailman.mit.edu/mailman/listinfo/piclist