> -----Original Message-----
> From: piclist-bounces@mit.edu 
> [mailto:piclist-bounces@mit.edu] On Behalf Of Byron A Jeff
>
> The whole point is not to open the keyboard. We're talking 
> about a single use bootloader dumper. Xiaofan has pointed out
> a couple of  bootloaders for USB based PIC chips that work 
> very well. The challenge is the bridge between a completely 
> empty chip and one with a bootloader. Presuming 
> that bootloading is your primary development method, as 
> it is for me, then the  bootloader dumper serves as the 
> required traditional programmer that up  to now have
> been served by Tait/JDM style programmers in the past.
> 
> It's an occasional use programmer. 
> 

The beauty of PIClist is that often the topics raised by the
original post are evolved into many different things.  I will
say this is healthy. Still sometimes we need to go back to 
read the original topics to if necessary...

Regards,
Xiaofan

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