Like any software package, there is a learning curve to generating symboles, etc. Honestly the easiet I have ever used is OrCAD (old version dunno about the new one) and even Mentor is pretty easy. Eagle isnt bad, once you have done a few and can be tedious on larger parts. Often you can find the decal already done, and creating the schematic symbol is fairly painless. Bottom line, at some point, with any package you will have to start generating your own. And when you do, post them on CadSoft site for others to use as well. Olin has done a nice job on his libraries, but keep in mind...he did them to fit his needs and still won't have all the parts you might need. --------------------------------- Yahoo! Autos. Looking for a sweet ride? Get pricing, reviews, & more on new and used cars. -- http://www.piclist.com PIC/SX FAQ & list archive View/change your membership options at http://mailman.mit.edu/mailman/listinfo/piclist