> Nothing that >anyone has said has given me much hope on this particular project, so >guess I will just trashcan the 14000 chip. (I won't REALLY trashcan it >-- I will put it in a drawer, along with a little note. Lounging in the drawer means nobody is in a hurry to see it work. Since you claim to live in the sticks, you could mail it off to someone and have them program it and send back. Worth a shot. Meanwhile, where I work we still have our first programmer, and we still burn 16C65's from time to time. The 14000 is listed... Barry -- http://www.piclist.com PIC/SX FAQ & list archive View/change your membership options at http://mailman.mit.edu/mailman/listinfo/piclist