>Every time I saw someone buy a super duper >do-them-all-50,000 chips programmer so far, I also saw >the person discover that one of the few chips they >wanted to program with it had buggy support, followed >by interesting waiting time for the software update >(is the email in yet - repeated every five minutes for >as long as it takes). I am always amazed (or maybe I shouldn't be) at the short lifetime of these "do-all-chips" devices, as the developers find that they just cannot upgrade the software to keep up with the changing programming strategies. I had access to just such a device at one time, and had occasion to program a number of chips, and ended up with about a 30% programming failure. Investigation with a 'scope showed that the programming pulse timings were nothing like the data sheet for the chip. It appeared that the chip maker had a process change between the chips that (may) have been used to verify the design, and now the timings were much more critical. I ended up building a little tagboard programmer with some one shots that produced the correct timings, and satisfactorily programmed the chips that had failed. -- http://www.piclist.com PIC/SX FAQ & list archive View/change your membership options at http://mailman.mit.edu/mailman/listinfo/piclist