>As a bootloader user, I find the utility of a traditional >programmer is greatly diminished. I am aware that it >limits my chip selection and in particular locks me out >of an ICD style debugging interface. I suspect that depends on how much work you are prepared to put into having a bootloader/debugger. The ICD has a block of code in the chip to do the debug interface, so adding that facility to a bootloader is really a matter of perseverance. -- http://www.piclist.com PIC/SX FAQ & list archive View/change your membership options at http://mailman.mit.edu/mailman/listinfo/piclist