Gerhard Fiedler wrote : > This was an interesting discussion. Let me add a thought > here... This about someone starting a hobby, right? When > you're starting with electronics, you need to buy some > tools and you don't have a junk box yet, so most of the > parts you'll need you have to buy, too. Right, I was thinking along the same lines. Are you going to use a "no-parts"/"no-cost" soldering-iron also ?? If not, why is it that the *programmer* has to be of that kind ? There are very few hobbies at all that are "no-cost"... Regards, Jan-Erik. -- http://www.piclist.com PIC/SX FAQ & list archive View/change your membership options at http://mailman.mit.edu/mailman/listinfo/piclist