> Forest Electronics Development has some nice, no too > expensive programmers. > I use the pikey and am very pleased with it. The cheapest is E 66, so I don't think these programmers are relevant to this discussion. This discussion is about what you can build with stuff from your junkbox. Wouter van Ooijen -- ------------------------------------------- Van Ooijen Technische Informatica: www.voti.nl consultancy, development, PICmicro products docent Hogeschool van Utrecht: www.voti.nl/hvu -- http://www.piclist.com PIC/SX FAQ & list archive View/change your membership options at http://mailman.mit.edu/mailman/listinfo/piclist