Forest Electronics Development has some nice, no too expensive programmers. 
I use the pikey and am very pleased with it.
http://www.fored.co.uk

Marcel

Wouter van Ooijen wrote:
>> "If you want simple programmers, what is wrong with those
>> JDM/tait coupled with pikdev (Linux) or
>> WinPIC/IC-Prog/WinPIC800/PICPGM/...?
>> Why need another one?"
>
> The gradual extinction of (real, not useb-converted) parallel and serial
> ports.
>
>> I do not understand what you mean by "no software"? You still needs
>> a host downloading software.
>
> Not if the "source" file is in such a format that it can be copied
> directly to the serial port. Unfortunatley this requires some hardware
> that takes over the timing control from the now absent software.
>
>> I do not understand your rant at all.
>
> I do understand, but I don't think there is a good solution. IMHO good
> means:
> - works with usb-to-serial (or parallel) converters
> - requires none or very simple hardware (IMHO what James shows is not
> simple enough)
> - (optionally - I think this is less important) requires no host
> software
>
> Wouter van Ooijen
>
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