On 1/30/06, Byron A Jeff wrote: > Yes but it's just as subject to the chicken and egg problem as everything else > as it uses an 18F2550 as an interface. > > That's why I'm trying to get away from the concept of this being a programmer. > I agree we don't really need another programmer. However I do believe that we > need a replacement for the venerable parallel and serial port programmers that > could program a chip without having to have programmed chips to do the job. > > I believe there is still a niche for bootstrapping hardware, and especially simple > bootstrapping hardware that one can piece together from junkbox parts in a short > period of time. > Hi BAJ, Thanks for your explanation and now I understand your point to "develop a replacement for the venerable parallel and serial port programmers that could program a chip without having to have programmed chips to do the job". Yes I agree with you that this is good to have. It only needs to support some popular MCUs like 16F628A/648A/16F88/18F452/18F2550 to support many popular intelligent programmers. It only needs to support some popular hobby PICs to be useful. And I guess it could tap other software like PiKdev/PICPGM/... to support many other PICs as well. Regards, Xiaofan -- http://www.piclist.com PIC/SX FAQ & list archive View/change your membership options at http://mailman.mit.edu/mailman/listinfo/piclist