> "If you want simple programmers, what is wrong with those > JDM/tait coupled with pikdev (Linux) or > WinPIC/IC-Prog/WinPIC800/PICPGM/...? > Why need another one?" The gradual extinction of (real, not useb-converted) parallel and serial ports. > I do not understand what you mean by "no software"? You still needs > a host downloading software. Not if the "source" file is in such a format that it can be copied directly to the serial port. Unfortunatley this requires some hardware that takes over the timing control from the now absent software. > I do not understand your rant at all. I do understand, but I don't think there is a good solution. IMHO good means: - works with usb-to-serial (or parallel) converters - requires none or very simple hardware (IMHO what James shows is not simple enough) - (optionally - I think this is less important) requires no host software Wouter van Ooijen -- ------------------------------------------- Van Ooijen Technische Informatica: www.voti.nl consultancy, development, PICmicro products docent Hogeschool van Utrecht: www.voti.nl/hvu -- http://www.piclist.com PIC/SX FAQ & list archive View/change your membership options at http://mailman.mit.edu/mailman/listinfo/piclist