> > OK, I accept both of those things. However, there is still > > a nagging question: If I do, in spite of good advice, > want to play > > around with a C chip, what is the best way to program it? > > Depends which one it is. I started with a simple parallel programmer > but all it does is 16C84. Just a 74LSsomething and a 555 booster The 16C84 is a naming error. It is, for all practical purposes, an F chip. Wouter van Ooijen -- ------------------------------------------- Van Ooijen Technische Informatica: www.voti.nl consultancy, development, PICmicro products docent Hogeschool van Utrecht: www.voti.nl/hvu -- http://www.piclist.com PIC/SX FAQ & list archive View/change your membership options at http://mailman.mit.edu/mailman/listinfo/piclist