> To ride your hobby horse: I think programming a bootloader or > the firmware of an intelligent progger is one of the places > where LVP is appropriate. > > Wouter van Ooijen Ok then, how about an LVP programmer that uses only non-programmed components and takes a stream from a serial port like Tony's ASCII programmer. Perhaps the clock signal could be developed without RC circuits. Again, the point is to not require any programming software, but rather use a data file that loads a bootloader or like that. The data file only needs to be developed once, but having server based software for turning a hex file into such a datafile would be very cool as well. It really seems to me that it would be nice to have a very simple programming circuit that could load at least one or two types of blank PIC chip. And it isn't like these chips stop being made. You can still buy 16F84's and you can still use a 16F84 to make a programmer that will program just about anything else. Right? --- James. -- http://www.piclist.com PIC/SX FAQ & list archive View/change your membership options at http://mailman.mit.edu/mailman/listinfo/piclist