William Chops Westfield wrote: >> For ONE, find someone locally with a fancy "device programmer" >and talk them into programming it for you. > > . Yup. I have thought about that. Although finding someone locally would pretty much be impossible. In these parts a "pic" is something that you carry to Saturday night dances, stuck up your sleeve, in case someone makes a move on your woman! :-) But I might try to find some kind soul who would do it for me, yes. It is complicated, however, by the fact that the 14000 seems to be kind of a bastard child insofar as Microchip is concerned. MPLAB has never heard of such a device (even though I have one sitting in front of me!). My experience with kind souls is that you want to ask the very minimum of them. (And I have been a kind soul myself a few times, so have complete sympathy.) -- http://www.piclist.com PIC/SX FAQ & list archive View/change your membership options at http://mailman.mit.edu/mailman/listinfo/piclist