> OK, I accept both of those things. However, there is still > a nagging > question: If I do, in spite of good advice, want to play > around with a > C chip, what is the best way to program it? Dunno, I use a PS+ because I have one. But do you realise that besides the progger you will need an UV-eraser, and you will need (a bunch of) windowed versions of the chip you want to use? The alternative is use once and throw away. Maybe you are a much better programmer than I am? Oh, and your target circuit will probably need a ZIF socket. And don't code protect your windowed chip! And do write down the osc calibration word! And don't rely on the RAM being all zero's! Wouter van Ooijen -- ------------------------------------------- Van Ooijen Technische Informatica: www.voti.nl consultancy, development, PICmicro products docent Hogeschool van Utrecht: www.voti.nl/hvu -- http://www.piclist.com PIC/SX FAQ & list archive View/change your membership options at http://mailman.mit.edu/mailman/listinfo/piclist