You can also use PICAXE. You get the functionality of a bootloader, chip is not that expensive, use HLL (BASIC), nice tutorials on the website! http://www.rev-ed.co.uk/picaxe/ PH Anderson sells these chips. my 2 cents. On 1/25/06, Mike Hord wrote: > I agree with the assessment that breadboards > and bootloaders are inappropriate for this venue. > Breadboards are pricey and can add a very > frustrating element to troubleshooting for a novice. > Bootloaders can be overwritten, require some > fancy footwork in coding (or at least, fancier than > the simplest blink-an-led code), and don't get > the student anywhere after the class is done, if > they decide they'd like to pursue more projects > on their own. -- Chetan Bhargava Web: http://www.bhargavaz.net Blog: http://microz.blogspot.com -- http://www.piclist.com PIC/SX FAQ & list archive View/change your membership options at http://mailman.mit.edu/mailman/listinfo/piclist