> Hmm, a totally clueless someone who asked a stupid question > in a wise manner, is he bozo? Mike, if you don't know the answer, you might not realise it's a stupid question ;-) And there are all sorts of reasons why you might not know the answer - poor research, busted chip or bad circuit that's doing something unexpected (eg interference) etc etc The Microchip forum posts I hate are like "Cant get I2C working on 14F88, what am I doing wrong ?" That isn't a stupid question, but it's a stupid way of asking. Anyone who takes that on is going to have to play "20 Questions". It's the kind of question often asked out of desperation, but that's no excuse for not taking 5 minutes to compose yourself and provide some specifics that will get you a better answer I wonder whether the education system and parents are at fault for not teaching young 'uns how to research and find their own answers. And we're all made differently - some people can express themselves well, some can't Although the web makes it easier to find information, it can be conflicting or incomplete, which doesn't help, so you still need to refer to a real person. Pre-web, you'd have to ask around / read around and just take someone's (maybe even just one person's) word for it, without being able to double-check. And that word may have been wrong You also realise with the web is that there are so many people who know little tricks and can share experiences Before asking anything here I always at least Google. You don't always get what you want, but it's a start, and it often leads to a wee increase in your knowledge that may come in useful another day -- http://www.piclist.com PIC/SX FAQ & list archive View/change your membership options at http://mailman.mit.edu/mailman/listinfo/piclist