This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0000_01C617CA.B0E3CE70 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Hi Howard >>Does anyone recognise my programmer? It is called a Pic Tutor v2. I have put a picture of it at www.smartcti.com/pictutor.jpg . Can anyone help >I don't know where you got the "v2" from - it's a PIC Tutor! :-) It was one of John Becker's designs, published in Everyday Practical Electronics (EPE) in about 1998. As you have found out, Magenta produced the kits - they still have them in their current advert in EPE, incidentally! It went with a series of articles (PIC Tutorial), however there was a >second Tutorial series in 2003, and the "Toolkit" series of hardware appeared to go with it (it got as far as v3), which handles 8, 18, 28 and 40-pin PICs. >The programming part of the Tutor board is a Tait-style parallel port programmer, so you'll need software that is able to handle that - what you have is probably too old and doesn't know about the -A version of the '84. Have a look at the EPE web site. To be honest, it's well out of date now, and in my opinion you need to think about something more up to date, although EPE do have an online chat forum where you could ask for help. On the back it says 'Pic Tutor v2.1'. I'd still rather get it working, even if it takes something simple like adding a few extra wires for the extra pins that newer programmers seem to have. I have checked most things now, I'm just wondering if the problem is 'timing' because I don't have yet any of the extra pins connected, just MCLR, DB7, DB6, Vss, Vdd. So is it as simple as connecting lines for 'reading' and trying to use it is as TOPIC2, etc? Alternatively, I am thinking about buying a new board. Something that can allow in-situ programming, can program the the 16F- and the 18F- and has on board keys and leds so that I try out my designs. I'm happy to build it myself, but would prefer to buy it working, ;-) Can anyone recommend something suitable? 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