This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_00D0_01C61772.256897C0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Thank you very much to everyone who has offered advice, etc. so far. Further to suggestions, I have now phoned Magenta who could not have been more helpful. It appears that it is an older version of the product that they currently produce. The voltage regulator, etc. is on board, but the board is basically a 'quick and dirty' in the programming sense, with more emphasis on using it as a 'runtime' board. However, I am still having a problem getting it to program. I am using the Tait programmer and others to send different hex files (which work in my simulator). I switch 3 switches on the board and the MCLR pin goes to 13.2v, Pin 12 on my 16F84 goes to D0 (pin 2) on the parallel cable, and Pin 11 goes to D1, for clock and data. These get held at 0v and rise during the programming cycle (obviously a bit quick to measure). I can press a 'reset' button which makes the MCLR go down to 0v temporarily. Does anyone know of anything I could try next. The hardware did run until I 'erased' it. I am stuck. Best Regards Alex Rogers Please can anyone help? I want to get back into Pic programming after a couple of years doing other things. I got my pic programmer our of the loft and have tried to get it working. In the meantime, of course, I know have a different PC and I've lost the software to program with. Does anyone recognise my programmer? It is called a Pic Tutor v2. I have put a picture of it at www.smartcti.com/pictutor.jpg . Can anyone help? I have tried Tait (using 'quick and dirty style') and a couple of other programmers but still can't work it out. When I fired it up, I still had my 16F84 with a program on it which worked (lights blinked, etc.) I have now managed to 'blank' the chip so it doesn't do anything! I have tried a new chip, a 16F84A, but still no good. 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