Just a comment on all this, for what it is worth. First, it sounds like there were a really great bunch of people here before I came aboard, and I am sorry that I missed them. :-( Second, I would like to really, really compliment the people who run the piclist. Although not a member of this particular list for all that long (perhaps 3 or 4 years -- not sure) I was a contributing member of different Usenet groups for a long, long time. Before there was a world-wide web. This seems to be a very well run list, with a core of contributing people who are experts and also good people. I have been on other lists where there were experts, but they were not necessarily good people. And vice-versa. I cannot help but wonder why a list of people who are mainly concerned with a $2 chip (more or less) are like that? Probably for the same reason that people who bother to learn the Morse code are better hams. (That was a gratuitous comment, and a peeve of mine, so just ignore it if you happen to disagree). I also think that James And His Cohorts run an exceptionally tight ship. They seem to know just when to crack down, without being obnoxious about it Having been "zinged" myself by them, I can appreciate that -- it is a thankless job. So I am hereby thanking them. :-) Anyway ... for what it is worth (about what you paid for it). John -- http://www.piclist.com PIC/SX FAQ & list archive View/change your membership options at http://mailman.mit.edu/mailman/listinfo/piclist