Why isn't anyone using a smpsu for charging lead acid ? I haven't seen any of those. Besides price, any other good reason ? It looks to me like a SMPSU is the answer here. With regulated output voltage and input power limiting it should be a perfect match to a normal lead acid charge, no ? Maybe use one with current foldback regulation to accomodate a really flat battery (which requires forming with low current). But that should not happen with normal use. So why not ? Then there is also the problem of charging (or rather not charging) a lead acid 12V battery with a 12V wall wart (the wall wart does not have enough volts to put current into an almost full battery). A buck converter preceded by a current limiter would likely work perfectly here. The current limiter would charge from flat, then the buck would start when vbatt=vwallwart and provide final charge and trickle. What is wrong with this scheme ? One could even use a PIC to control this. Peter -- http://www.piclist.com PIC/SX FAQ & list archive View/change your membership options at http://mailman.mit.edu/mailman/listinfo/piclist