This thread reminds me of some events when i worked for a large japanese company,i looked after 150 machine tools which where fully computer controlled.Production problems due to size differences where experienced,the blame put on us lazy english workers;we eventually traced the problem ourselves,the material supplied from japan was the wrong diameter! Being trained in electronics before taking up a'grunt' job i often stopped to talk to the works electricians as they battled the machines (without schematics,the japanese classed them as industrial secrets!) having seen a japanese technician scratching his head for three days over a machine fault i eventually passed on (again) the message that the motor had burned out on the night shift,the whole hog, smoking windings, burning belts,smoke.the english junior elctrician put his meter on it for twenty seconds; before replacing the motor. -- http://www.piclist.com PIC/SX FAQ & list archive View/change your membership options at http://mailman.mit.edu/mailman/listinfo/piclist