Or if you have need of a secure chip, pot the chip and run a thin thin wire through the potting, tie the wire to a input and output, and check if the wire is there.. If its not, the potting was removed and erase the code.. Also you can destroy the bond wires for RB7 and RB6, I've seen that was done somewhere by someone, perhaps on the list archives.. andrew -- http://www.piclist.com PIC/SX FAQ & list archive View/change your membership options at http://mailman.mit.edu/mailman/listinfo/piclist