> Do you have a shortwave receiver with BFO? No, I've heard of those non-contact methods > Very handy for checking crystals without loading the circuit at all In this case I used a counter with a x10 probe, and measured it at 19.66350-ish. Aw, stink bro'. I wasn't sure the probe hadn't loaded the pin (although loading would have made it run slow, not fast) so I ran the unit for a day, and it did actually work out to what I'd measured So, even if I could trust the measurements I make when trimming, I've gone off trimming these units anyway > If the crystal wants about 16pF, then yes, but the data sheet you > sent dosen't say I can compensate for a frequency error in s/w, but 22pFs would be close enough to not do any long-term physical damge ? -- http://www.piclist.com PIC/SX FAQ & list archive View/change your membership options at http://mailman.mit.edu/mailman/listinfo/piclist