> Here's an example, which appears to show output modified as well. > http://www.ee.washington.edu/circuit_archive/circuits/F_ASCII_Schem.html#ASC IISCHEM_008 After another look around (instead of going to bed, yaaaaawn) this one also shows a trimmer on the drive (gate output) side http://www.euroquartz.co.uk/pdf/application-notes.pdf That's kind of what I expected, although the PIC oscillator is more complex than a couple of simple gates, so I thought it best to get some opinions. For example, I don't know whether it best to load an output when I don't know its drive capabilities. Although I might assume that being a driver it should be able to cope with minor variances I'm surprised (oh, really, why ? ;-)) ) that MChip didn't show a recommended configuration, given that they detail every other aspect of their oscillator sections -- http://www.piclist.com PIC/SX FAQ & list archive View/change your membership options at http://mailman.mit.edu/mailman/listinfo/piclist