> I have checked the data and it just > refers to the HD44780 for function which doesn't mention it > there is 100k pull down on the bus It does, in a very implict way. First it shows no connection at all to the lower data bus pins when 4-bit mode is used (this is bad practice unless some form of pull up or down is present), and in the electrical section the strength of these pulls is documented. > Anybody got any ideas??? Put a buffer inbetween. Or are there pull up/downs on all data pins or only on D0..D3? If only on the lower pins you could use 4-bit mode. Wouter van Ooijen -- ------------------------------------------- Van Ooijen Technische Informatica: www.voti.nl consultancy, development, PICmicro products docent Hogeschool van Utrecht: www.voti.nl/hvu -- http://www.piclist.com PIC/SX FAQ & list archive View/change your membership options at http://mailman.mit.edu/mailman/listinfo/piclist