My wife gave me a copy of the John Peatman book, "Embedded Design with the PIC18F452 Microcontroller" for Xmas. She said that originally thought about just giving me an ice-pick (get it?) but decided the book was a better idea. :-) I read through it, and thought that a few comments might be helpful if someone on the piclist has been thinking about buying it. It is pretty expensive, (around $60, I believe, on Amazon.com), and I don't think that I would have bought it on my own. It does come with a (free) circuit-board, which can be used to build a nice little test board. The parts have to be ordered (Digikey sells a parts kit for the board for around $56), and the board has to be constructed. But it has an array of instruments that the book uses to explain the different applications that the 18F452 can be used for (LCD, temperature sensor, UART port with MAX 232, a revolving-pulse-generator, several pushbuttons, etc). I built the board and it works fine, except that Olin's EasyProg programmer won't program it. So I have to use the ICD2 for that. Bummer, since I prefer to use the EasyProg. :-( Peatman does talk about some other programmers, but I get the distinct impression that he prefers the ICD2. So if a student has to buy the book, the ICD2, and the parts kit, he or she is going spend quite a few bucks. (In all fairness, there is provision made for using a cheap programmer, using a bootloader that he has developed and which can be downloaded). The guy has a lot of stuff on his website (www.picbook.com) which can be downloaded, including the source for all the programs that he goes through. Which is nice, because it saves having to type them in. However, he uses absolute code, rather than relocatable, which I don't think is good. On the other hand, though, the explanations for what the code is doing are well done, and of course making it relocatable is not a big deal. That is my impression so far. I'm going to go through all his lessons next, so may have a different opinion by the time I finish. If anyone else has any impressions to share, I'd really like to hear them. Either on-list or off-list, as you prefer. John -- http://www.piclist.com PIC/SX FAQ & list archive View/change your membership options at http://mailman.mit.edu/mailman/listinfo/piclist