I think you may have misunderstood me. Note that I'm not saying his method is bad. Seems interesting, and probably works for many people. (Whether or not it works seems to be much more a question of personality than anything else.) But he's discrediting other methods based on his "system engineering" -- which I think is not good enough to tell anything about many of the other methods. His model is not good enough to explain why his method works (he doesn't really use it for that either) and it definitely does not explain why the others should not work. So I'm not talking about the method (which is what you are describing), I'm talking about the model. His "method" doesn't use his model at all. Basically, he measures weight, and if it's too much, he reduces the intake. It's as simple as that. This done rigorously can probably be quite effective. But it has not much to do with his model. And I'm pretty sure that pretty much everybody could tell you that this could work, without any system engineering background. A number of other methods are based on assumptions about digestion and metabolism (responsible for what happens with incoming matter) -- whether that matter gets transformed into energy (which gets used), whether it gets "stored" (that is, weight gain) or whether it gets exhausted (that would be the output that he ignores). He says those other methods are all crap, basically -- yet his model doesn't even start to describe the mechanisms that are responsible for transforming incoming matter into stored matter or into energy or leave it going out. His method doesn't include modifications to the metabolism or to the digestion at all. This possibly can be explained with a relative lack of familiarity with the involved processes, as opposed to a higher familiarity with simple systems engineering. Yet it is quite possible that a method that results in a modified metabolism or digestion could have equally good effects, or maybe better ones, and he simply ignores that. Again, I'm looking at it from a system engineering point of view. The model is never perfect, but I need to know what the model can do and what it can't do -- and use it properly. Using it for what it can't do is bad system engineering. I can still get to results that work; the fact that it works doesn't make it necessarily good system engineering. I think for further discussion we would have to take his text and get into the details. Not sure this is the right place here (even though the approach would be a system engineering approach that is useful for many engineering tasks). Gerhard M. Adam Davis wrote: > Interesting. [...] -- http://www.piclist.com PIC/SX FAQ & list archive View/change your membership options at http://mailman.mit.edu/mailman/listinfo/piclist