found this site, http://hawthorn.csse.monash.edu.au/~njh/electronics/watersensor/ and just wondered...has anyone a.seen it? b.made simpler version? c.how easy/not! would it be with a newer PIC i.e. the 12F675 (use the PIC to generate the pulses for the capacitive sensor,lose the time-clock) -- http://www.piclist.com PIC/SX FAQ & list archive View/change your membership options at http://mailman.mit.edu/mailman/listinfo/piclist