After all the slagging off of Maxim (just to redress the balance!) something useful i found:- http://www.qsl.net/eb4eqa/serial_booster/serial_booster.htm has anyone done something similar for USB ports?mine are too weedy to use a port powered usb programmer :-( -- http://www.piclist.com PIC/SX FAQ & list archive View/change your membership options at http://mailman.mit.edu/mailman/listinfo/piclist