> [Olin] The PICKit2 [snip] is > also really a development board which can be used as a programmer. I think you are confusing pickit1 and pickit2? 1 is sort of development PCB, 2 is a programmer with ICSP pinheader connector in a small black plastic case. Wouter van Ooijen -- ------------------------------------------- Van Ooijen Technische Informatica: www.voti.nl consultancy, development, PICmicro products docent Hogeschool van Utrecht: www.voti.nl/hvu -- http://www.piclist.com PIC/SX FAQ & list archive View/change your membership options at http://mailman.mit.edu/mailman/listinfo/piclist