I have a volume application that requires a battery. Best choice seems to be "sealed lead acid" (SLA) for reasons listed below. Suggested alternatives welcome. NB: Solutions MUST NOT redefine the problem, suggest alternatives which do not meet all criteria etc :-). Often enough when I ask similar questions many answers address requirements which I do not have. There are reasons for most of the requirements . I will partially explain some of them if it seems useful. Application: Exercise equipment operated by 'user'. When operating, power is provided by user actions via an 'alternator'. When at rest or when user speed drops too low (startup, programming, pausing etc) power is supplied by a battery. Battery is recharged by user action when possible. Current drain is up to 250 mA. Supply internal rail is typically 5V but may use the dread LM7805 type regulators so input needs to be say 8v min (dropout, headroom, wiring loss, connector loss, ...). Higher OK but too much higher may stress 7805 thermally as manufacturer probably anticipated a 6 cell battery pack (nominal 9v). Equipment is in two parts. Part A draws up to 250 mA as above and its design cannot be altered. Part B draws under 20 mA, design is flexible and includes power conversion and control functions. Requirement: Rechargeable battery. Good shelf life under self discharge. Lowest practical cost. OK recharge rate (faster the better). Reasonable capacity - say 1 to 2 AH OK. Battery life needs not be optimum but should be reasonable. ie some violation of best practice float etc voltages and charge currents is OK as long as battery life of say 3+ years is achievable. Much of this equipment gets very little use but some is used extensively. A mains supply is a possible option in some cases but cannot be relied on. Mass and volume energy densities are not important. Alternator output is rectified to a smoothed DC rail and may reach 120 VDC plus in some cases. For reasons not covered here this is to be converted to battery charging and equipment supply voltage by a linear regulator so dissipation is up to about 30 Watt worst case for short periods. This can be handled OK. ____________ Solution so far: 12v SLA. Typically 1.2 or 3 AH. 6v SLA with a converter to lift output to about 8v for "part A" supply is a possibility but cost an issue. 12V SLA requires a voltage rail from alternator of 15v+ to get enough headroom to charge SLA. Dissipation in equipment part A at 250 mA is therefore about (15-5)*0.25 = 2.5 watt. A series resistor can be added to drop some of this. SLA charging circuit is crude but acceptable (and cheap). Self discharge of 10% month - may be less. Varies rather with construction and chemistry. NiCd, NimH have excessive self discharge rates (typically 20% & 30% month) Lithium Ion. Cost? Capacity degradation with time regardless of usage. Goodish self discharge. Lithium Ion Polymer - better self discharge than Nickel chemistries. Wide voltage swing charged to discharged. Price ? Other? Russell McMahon -- http://www.piclist.com PIC/SX FAQ & list archive View/change your membership options at http://mailman.mit.edu/mailman/listinfo/piclist