> I just find it truly amazing that these things can be built and sold > with some profit at $65, that the performance is somewhat lacking is > really not surprising! So do I. And I suspect that they may not be able to be. Getting product into the world and providing traction for the growing / stretching / learning giant may be more important than making ends meet in a realistic manner. I strongly suspect that there is more than just the 'invisible hand" at work here. And we are all cheerily revelling in their largesse - something which we are certain to regret in the next few decades. I have *nothing whatsoever* against the Chinese people, and I can understand much of the behaviour of the Chinese leadership, even though I often enough personally dislike what they do, but "we" in the west (and elsewhere) (I very much included) are bringing doom on ourselves as we buy our $US65 engine alternator sets and bounteously cheap bags, pens, tools, paper, batteries, .... without any great thought of where it will lead. It's going to be interesting :-). RM -- http://www.piclist.com PIC/SX FAQ & list archive View/change your membership options at http://mailman.mit.edu/mailman/listinfo/piclist