did you notice my post to PIC http://ww1.microchip.com/downloads/en/DeviceDoc/ICD2_Advisory_51566b.pdf is this relevant to your problem? with new equipment i would have = (mistakenly?) thought that Microchip would offer some sort of support.or is it the = usual case of Premium rate numbers here we go! -- http://www.piclist.com PIC/SX FAQ & list archive View/change your membership options at http://mailman.mit.edu/mailman/listinfo/piclist