David wrote regarding 'RE: [OT] Brilliant DIY Camp Stove' on Mon, Dec 05 at 12:19: > > I still think the stove design was at least an order of magnitude > better > > than the web design. I think he should have taken advantage of his > last > > name and called it the "Jurey Rigged Stove". > > I've never liked that term. Jerry rigged came into use AFAICT around > WWI or WWII when we didn't want to think of the germans as nice folk. That's a semi-common misconception. The term "jury rigged" came from the installation of a "jury mast" to replace a broken mast, therefore "jury rigging" the ship. The term appears in Robinson Crusoe, which was written in 1719. Germans were referred to as Jerries in WW I, however, jerry-built was in use in the mid-1800s. Historians disagree as to whether it referred to a chamber pot, "Jelly", the tumbling walls of Jericho, or earlier disdainful uses of "jerry" to refer to a disreputable person / cheap pub) but they generally agree that it didn't have anything to do with the Germans - since the term "jerry-built" was around for many years before the German slang term. "Jerry rig" is typically regarded as a mix of "jury rig" and "jerry built". Dictionaries are divided as to whether they include it (since 1959) or not (because it's a mis-form of the two proper terms). The term appropriately used above, and which probably sounds like "Jurey" is "Jury-rigged", anyway, so this is all somewhat irrelevant. :) Never mind that, should someone call me a "Jerry" due to my German last name, I'd laugh at their lame attempt at a racial slur. At least "Kraut" conveys a bad smell - "Jerry" doesn't even sound like a mean person. :) It's right up there with "Cracker" in the list of amusingly ineffective racial slurs, IMHO. The African-derogatory term, however, is probably best to avoid in general. There's not much dispute on that one... --Danny, basing this on several sources, all uncited ;) -- http://www.piclist.com PIC/SX FAQ & list archive View/change your membership options at http://mailman.mit.edu/mailman/listinfo/piclist