> 2" by 4" lumber is that size before it's dressed. One day > I'll find out why they still call it that... Brevity. 2 by 4 is easier than 1 and 7/16 by 3 and 3/4! Pipe is another one. Take a tape measure to some 1.5" PVC pipe sometime... Mike H. -- http://www.piclist.com PIC/SX FAQ & list archive View/change your membership options at http://mailman.mit.edu/mailman/listinfo/piclist