One of the easiest starter packages is the Chip factory from Revolution electronics (rev.ed.co.uk) here in the U.K.=20 it runs a simple version of basic but programs standard=20 PIC's;unlike the slightly more advanced picaxe system which=20 requires the pre programmed (bootloader) PIC's.(Although they=20 are inexpensive;postage could add up).Also available is a really=20 simple kit which uses a standard P.C. keyboard to program=20 the blank PIC on a little circuit board.As both these,and their=20 associated project boards, are aimed at school kids they=20 should be a great starter for a trainee geek! -- http://www.piclist.com PIC/SX FAQ & list archive View/change your membership options at http://mailman.mit.edu/mailman/listinfo/piclist