On Wed, 23 Nov 2005, Bob Blick wrote: > Hi Brooke, > > You might try a variation on this: > > http://bobblick.com/3cell/ > > I forget exactly what voltage it starts with, but you should be able to > play with resistors here or there and get it to start. > > Moving Q2's emitter to the input voltage is probably required too. Would a JFET based hf oscillator work to produce an initial bias ? A JFET may have gain at zero Vg. There are also 'programmable base' mosfets afaik. Could one of these be used ? e.g.: http://www.aldinc.com/ald_epadfaq.htm can produce parts programmed for Vg=0.2V. Last, a vibrator circuit could be used to convert the bootstrap voltage, using a depletion mode mosfet to turn it off once the main voltage is present. Peter -- http://www.piclist.com PIC/SX FAQ & list archive View/change your membership options at http://mailman.mit.edu/mailman/listinfo/piclist