> (it was her lighting BTW !!). > The reason ? - its switch was actually connected to the business > next door's power, Just not her power :-). Wherever possible I short the "dead" wires together before adventuring with them. I also avert eyes when doing this as sometimes it does prove what you are testing to disprove. . I have had many close calls over the years. Phase on earth (!), phase on neutral, ring feed (illegal in NZ, common in UK), miswired socket and miswired plug so case is at phase only when two are used together, ... . I've had quite a few mains shocks, a few RF burns, a few HV DC (up to about 1200 V) ..., various inductive kicks, 50v on backs of hands while running telephone mdf jumpers is annoying (trainee engineer days), ... . Haven't had a mains shock for years (decade(s)?). Still alive but many of the above could have killed me. (Some would say this list explains why I am as I am, but I assure you that such a simple explanation is inadequate :-) ). So - ALWAYS assume it's live. Make sure it's not. Then assume it is. Then short it :-). RM -- http://www.piclist.com PIC/SX FAQ & list archive View/change your membership options at http://mailman.mit.edu/mailman/listinfo/piclist