> But the nastiest experience I had was with 12V dc in sweet water. I > was very very wet and I held bare wires to contacts at 12V. If it > had been 24V I would likely gotten stuck like that. Now I know > exactly what those frog legs Volta used for his experiments felt. This was exactly the point I was making that caused so much opportunity for hilarity that the point was at risk of being lost. 12 volts HAS killed people. It's very rare, but it's possible. One need not be paranoid about the risk, but awareness of the risk is useful. RM -- http://www.piclist.com PIC/SX FAQ & list archive View/change your membership options at http://mailman.mit.edu/mailman/listinfo/piclist