>> Probably no way to fix [out of date tutorials], but it sure would be >> nice to see a tutorial that started out with the new stuff >> available. >> What do you expect for the dollars you're (not) paying? You could always pay to go to microchip's seminars, or "Masters", or if you're a big enough customer I'm sure microchip will be willing to send some people out to sell^h^h^h^h explain all the latest chips to you. (and surely there's 3rd party training for PICs? Though I don't know that I've seen too much along those lines...) This is complicated somewhat by the fact that "the new stuff" is not always the best choice, especially for hobbyists. Much has been said about the obsolescence of the 16F84, but that's a 12+ year old chip. There have been plenty of cases where jumping on some new bandwagon would have been a big mistake (even for real OEMs), and it's certainly true that not every new chip makes it into the hobbyist distribution channels that are important if the device is going to succeed in that rather small market (otherwise, we'd probably all be using motorola CPUs.) And "the new stuff" these days includes ALL of PIC12, PIC14, PIC16, and PIC18 cores, plus the dsPICs and 16-bit (data) chips... One might also argue that any tutorial that covers a particular "new" chip is MUCH too specific to be properly educational, just as introductory programming classes tend to teach subsets of whatever language they use. Microchip's "Masters" conference seems to run about 60 (sixty) classes, each of which might be considered a 'tutorial' of sorts... BillW -- http://www.piclist.com PIC/SX FAQ & list archive View/change your membership options at http://mailman.mit.edu/mailman/listinfo/piclist