I am a complete newbie at PIC and don't even know enough yet to ask the right questions, probably. But I do want to learn, and did some looking on the Internet and have found two places that seem to have step-by-step tutorials available on-line. One is Myke Predko tutorials at www.rentron.comand the other is at WinPicProg.co.uk . I wonder if anyone has an opinion as to which of these two might be the bes= t for me? I do have a basic knowledge of electronics, and also of computer programming, and do not mind sitting down and spending some time building circuits. The WinPicProg site looks like it might be better, but that is just my initial impression and I may be wrong. Bill Kuncicky -- http://www.piclist.com PIC/SX FAQ & list archive View/change your membership options at http://mailman.mit.edu/mailman/listinfo/piclist