Okay, now I count 2 serious users (Olin and you). Any more? ;-)

Actually the number is not that important. I think the
quality of Olin's code are generally very high and I am
trying to learn something from the codes. 

My point is that it is really not for beginners 
and it is more difficult than C18 or MPASM for beginners.
Both you and Olin are professional PIC programmers and
of course you can use the environment very efficiently.

For professional PIC programmers, they can use C18 or MPASM
or anything they prefer to write high quality codes for PIC18F.

For PIC18F and dsPICs and the coming PIC24F, I think it is
really feasible to learn to use C together with assembly.
I am doing this now with C18 and C30 even though I also
look at the assmebly as well. I have not used any 
18F and dsPIC at work and now I am learning it at my spare 
time like a hobbyist. 

Regards,
Xiaofan

-----Original Message-----
From: piclist-bounces@mit.edu
Sent: Thursday, October 27, 2005 4:41 PM

>To be honest, how many people are seriously
>using Olin's programming environment?

Me. I can also claim to be the person that caused Olin to distribute the
complete environment, after he published a bit of it here, and I found that
it didn't include the std.ins file, and asked Olin (kindly) for it.

I used it on a project that used 5 16F876s and have a couple more projects
lined up that I will use it for.


-----Original Message-----
From: piclist-bounces@mit.edu
Sent: Thursday, October 27, 2005 9:36 AM

...
Guys like Olin and Wouter have "languages" that understand the PIC and
it's environment.  Those languages are also well suited to the types of
applications that tend to be written for the PIC.

It is interesting, because either of those guys could probably understand
the vagaries of any compiler in pretty short order, and use a language
like C as a significant productivity boost.
...
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