Sadly China is completing railroad to Tibet in the near future.


PY2NI_TERRA wrote:
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> I vote for TIBET.
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> Horta
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> > >> ... can no longer provide moral guidance to the rest of  the world
> > >> ...
> >
> > >> OK.  Fair enough, I suppose.  But then, I got to wondering -- so,
> > >> then,
> > >> who is?  England?  Surely not --  they also have  the Iraq stain.
> >
> > I don't consider the "Iraq stain" is of such major consequence
> > compared to all else that happens in the world that it would
> > disqualify the US. No country is perfect. While the US's actions in
> > Iraq would be seen by the vast majority of humanity as having fallen
> > short of the ideal, those who see the US as irrevocably stained by
> > Iraq tend tend to have very selective vision re the US's good points.
> >
> > In recent decades Yugoslavia stage 1 (dissolution), Yugoslavia stage =
2
> > (Kosovo), Cambodia, China, Ruwanda, China, various ex Soviet
> > republics, China and many more come to mind as fit examples when
> > seeking to make moral comparisons. The fact that China tends to do
> > things overtly mainly within its borders with the exception of one
> > small neighbour doesn't make things any better. (I'm not referring to
> > Taiwan - that's an internal dispute that will probably sort itself
> > peacefully in the next 50 years or so).
> >
> > >> China?  No.
> >
> > Indeed.
> >
> > >> Russia?  No.
> >
> > Not yet.
> >
> > >> No. Germany?  Of course not.
> >
> > A far better candidate than many.
> > The sins of the past still weigh heavily on their national conscience
> > * and they are quite possibly in a far better position to provide
> > moral guidance than most.  (* As well as that being my perception fro=
m
> > "at a disatnce" input, it's also strongly reinforced with examples
> > given to me by a family member who lived there for a while). Anyone
> > who did anything they can reasonably be held morally accountable for
> > in Hitler's Germany is now over 70 years old (ie at least 12 years ol=
d
> > in 1945) and most still alive with any moral responsibility are far
> > older than that. The current German nation nowadays has no moral
> > responsibility for the wrongs of that era.
> >
> > >> France? Well, perhaps . . .
> >
> > Hopefully that's in jest. If I ignored the fact that I'm a resident o=
f
> > the South Pacific and that I live about 7 miles from where terrorists
> > (literally) sent by the French president sank the Rainbow Warrior,
> > then I'd rate them at very best as no better than their peers.
> >
> > >> except that once one begins to examine the skeletons in
> > >> their closet from the Algerian revolution it seems awfully hard.
> >
> > To balance some of that, and regardless of possible vested interest
> > etc, whe people were dying in their literally hundreds of thousand in
> > Ruwanda *ONLY* the French got into action and did something while the
> > whole of the rest of the world di nothing for weeks w\and weeks and
> > weeks. That did a lot to redress old memories.
> >
> > >> Japan?  No, they got carried away during WW II.
> >
> > And they have learned much from it. Albeit not enough yet.
> >
> > >> Switzerland?  No, too
> > >> many shady deals made with Nazi Germany.
> >
> > Alas, the dealings of the Swiss is one of the great sorrows - those
> > who looked so 'squeaky clean' and indeed had the opportunities to be
> > the white knoghts that they appeared to be, turned out to have
> > conspired at murder and theft on a scale beyond reasonable belief. Bu=
t
> > also, that generation is gone.
> >
> > So, how does Belgium stand as a candidate? I have warm mental fizzies
> > for their heroism as a nation at various times past. Including 1914
> > and 1939. And as the batleground of Western Europe where the 'great
> > powers' came to play, they have much to think about. Visit Ypres/Iepe=
r
> > on ANY day at 8pm.
> > Go to the Mennen gate.
> >
> >         http://public.fotki.com/russellmc/atw/atw_ypres_mennengate/
> > *
> >
> > Watch the ceremony (conducted there at 8pm every day since 1929). Cry=
,
> > perhaps, as I did.  I don't know how they would stand up against
> > iceland in a point by point comparison. But I think the Vikings still
> > have a lot to answer for :-)
> >
> >
> >
> >         RM
> >
> > * There will be a lot more of our 25 country tour photo on the superb
> > Fotki site in due course. For now it's mainly other stuff.
> > Click thumbnails for larger view. Click larger view for next photo.
> > Under each of these is a ""Get original uploaded photo" link. These
> > are typically 500kB - 1MB so choose with care.
> >
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