Light guide techniques using LED lamps - brilliant This HP/Agilent application note has been referred to by several people in the last few days but was so buried in a thread that it's liable to be missed. This is a brilliant (pun intended) 22 page PDF that tells you how to get light from LEDs (and other light sources) to go places and do things that you will almost certainly want it to go and do at some stage. http://cp.literature.agilent.com/litweb/pdf/5988-7057EN.pdf This is a far more complex subject than may at first meet the eye [:-)] and the paper is well worth reading. RM -- http://www.piclist.com PIC/SX FAQ & list archive View/change your membership options at http://mailman.mit.edu/mailman/listinfo/piclist