I'm about ready to order a new PIC programmer/debugger and have my sights set on the genuine ICD2. There is mention in a message or two in the archives about some issues when using the USB interface to the PC but not a lot of details. With respect to operation from a USB port are people generally happy with the current performance of the ICD2 or are there in fact problems? USB is critical for me. Both of the laptops I use do not have serial ports. Tim -- http://www.piclist.com PIC/SX FAQ & list archive View/change your membership options at http://mailman.mit.edu/mailman/listinfo/piclist