> The ones 'round here are purely mechanical ie: clock motor, > gears, open contacts (no relay, psu) The other things that are insanely cheap are domestic security lights. But the only things useful would be the capacitor-drop PSU and relay. No plug, but the pump could be hard-wired. IC is usually a quad op-amp, not much good for counting. PIR sensor might come in handy one day Not sure about regulations covering external devices though. If the pump has no exposed metal parts guess that would be OK, seems good enough for the timers -- http://www.piclist.com PIC/SX FAQ & list archive View/change your membership options at http://mailman.mit.edu/mailman/listinfo/piclist