Hi James.

Your proposal to migrate will not work after awhile since people won't change
as a result. I believe humans are half biology based and half what is called
upbringing. Briefly it is impossible now to isolate our children from being
taught our mistakes together with what we think our achievments are.
The best from the best should be carefully educated to teach young folks.
Proper things explained and placed in heads certainly will help to prevent
most of that genetic behaviour :) It's called the negative feedback theory
and well known to engineers ( how get things stabilized in practice )

The main question is money vs quality of things done as result.
Optimization keep bending towards less money spent the better.
And that's everywhere. That freaken conspiracy will bury everybody at the end
including those who originally spinned it. I don't get how that is ignored :)


WBR Dmitry.



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James Newtons Massmind wrote:
> 
> > Actual question between the lines was if there is any other
> > approach but war with same or even bigger effectiveness to
> > put people mind, talents and efforts together in reach of
> > higher goals, to pursue and discover something unknown and
> > gain new horizons, reaching more stability and prosperity.
> >
> > War and money so far only... Any other ideas ? :)
> 
> I shouldn't say this, but sometimes I just need to speak the hard cold
> facts... As I see them.
> 
> It is all based in the "desire" of each persons genes to be reproduced. From
> that basic "hardwired" desire all motivations develop. Sex <= Power <= Money
> <= War. War is just killing the other guys genes and taking resources so
> that your genes have a better chance to reproduce. As long as the gas prices
> drop or don't increase, the support of the US population for stealing the
> oil from Iraq will continue.
> 
> There may have been other forms of life that were not totally motivated by a
> desire to reproduce, but they seem to have died out.
> 
> Bottom line: My genes want my kids living from the sweat of your brow, your
> kids dead and my sperm in your wife. If your kids look like my kids, then
> maybe it's ok for them to live as long as they work for me.
> 
> Given that this is were each of us is really starting from, the fact that
> there is any civility in the world at all is amazing. It would be wonderful
> (for a while) if everyone was actually concerned for others and wanted to
> all work together and not compete, and I wish it was that way...
> 
> ...but it isn't. Reality: that which remains after you stop believing in it.
> War is still here despite many people not believing in it. Genes are the
> reason.
> 
> Please note that I did NOT say that I wanted those things, just that there
> is a biological imperative based on the goals of genetic reproduction which
> probably pushes me, and everyone else, in that direction. I am a sweet,
> caring and giving soul who would never harm a hair on the head of another
> living thing.
> 
> So if you want peace, and peoples mind, talents, and efforts all working
> together, find a project where each of us gets an entire, earth-like
> paradise to populate with our kids... Of course, then people will try to
> sabotage the ships carrying others genes to other planets...
> 
> There is also some possibility that when population reaches a certain level,
> mother nature reduces the desire of genes to reproduce in order to keep
> "crazy Eddie" (*)cycles from occurring. There are some people who do not
> have the sexual drive that would result in reproduction and therefore may
> not have the genetic imperative to reproduce. Studies with rats and other
> animals have shown that this behavior increases with increases in
> population. Interestingly enough, not having a desire that leads to
> reproduction is so foreign to the makeup of the "breeders" that it seems to
> lead to fear and prosecution of the "non-breeders."  e.g. "...it just ain't
> natural..." and "...an abomination to God..." and so on.
> 
> Just talking about all that is depressing as heck. I'm going to take the
> blue pill and go back to the world of roses and butterflies.
> 
> ---
> James.

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