Because they delivered it to my flat and then set up the washing machine for us and then left a telephone number that we can call for help. It is the same situation with the refrigerator. Therefore I do not really need to read the manuals. I will say that the quality of washing machines and fridges and the industrial design are generally quite okay. Reliability (after the warranty period) is another thing. The Europeans are better off with at least 2 years warranty. In the rest of the world, one year is the norm for consumer electronics field and people need to pay quite a lot for extended warranty. Philips is good to extend this to the rest of the world for quite some of its product. I read he manuals for the DVD, TV and Microwave ovens. They can be tricky to set up so I am tasked by my wife to maintain them. I am also tasked to maintain all the PCs, printers and PDAs. She takes care of the washing machine and the fridge and I think she already read the manuals. ;-) For the industrial design or usability side, I think PCs are one of the worst. Mouse and keyboard are really badly designed but I do not know how to fix it yet. The power cord and cables behind the desktops are really ugly. And often the manuals are not so useful. I feel amazed why I stay in front of such a badly designed product for so long, at work and after work, ... Regards, Xiaofan -----Original Message----- From: Peter Sent: Friday, October 07, 2005 3:58 AM To: Microcontroller discussion list - Public. Subject: RE: [EE] Industrial design of electronics product On Thu, 6 Oct 2005, Chen Xiao Fan wrote: > My washing machine is front-loaded type (European brand) and > indeed there are lots of stuff on top. What is the problem? > They seems to be much more rugged than the top loaded > model from Japanese/Korea vendors. I have not yet read > the manual to be honest because it works right out of the > box. Did you remove the bolts that hold the drum fixed during transport ? ;-) ;-) ;-) Maybe you should look at the manual a little anyway, even if you removed the bolts. Peter -- http://www.piclist.com PIC/SX FAQ & list archive View/change your membership options at http://mailman.mit.edu/mailman/listinfo/piclist