> > 3. On the other hand, if someone is trying to get you to do > something > you > > don't want to do, we need to be willing to listen, take it > seriously, > and > > take appropriate action. That includes getting people who have > problems to > > help and not just taking them out and shooting them. No matter how > much we > > might want to... > > Agreed completely on 1 and 2, and don't get me started on > high school kids killed or crippled so we can win "the big game"... > > But, on this one, I'm not so sure what you mean. I'm trying to address rape, non-consensual sex, stalking, pedophilia and other issues where someone is trying to force something on someone else. The force-ee needs to be taken seriously, not ignored, and appropriate action taken. But not without proof, not were the accused is destroyed in the public eye before a full investigation and a fair trial. The force-er needs to be treated fairly as well. If it turns out to be my daughter that was raped, I'll have a difficult time doing that. But it is the right thing to do. Innocent until proven guilty. The police should NOT state why someone is being investigated until they have solid proof of a crime. People who can't seem to find pleasure without forcing others need to be first, held back from doing it again, and second, provided with effective treatment. --- James. -- http://www.piclist.com PIC/SX FAQ & list archive View/change your membership options at http://mailman.mit.edu/mailman/listinfo/piclist